Category AVRO 504K

AVRO 504K – Introduction

The AVRO 504K was a great flyer, and the standard allied WWI trainer. The Danish Navy owned six from 1921 to 1931.

Det Danske Luftfartselskab (Danish Airline Company) purchased two AVRO 504K in Britain during 1919, but they were never used and later sold on to the Royal Danish Army. The army acquired an additional two aircraft, and they were used until 1931. The Royal Danish Navy purchased six during 1920. A total of 5 crashes, but were substituted for the 504N.

The aircraft were flown with the typical AVRO landing gear, as well as with floats.

Some websites says the length was 29 ft, the original manufacturing drawings say 28’11”, and other sources say 29’5″. Some, like Windsock Datafile No. 28 says both.

Specifications:

Wingspan: 10.973 m
Length: 8.814 m ?
Height: 3.17 m
Empty weight: 558 kg
Max weight: 830 kg
Max speed: 145 km/h
Cruise speed: 126 km/h
Engine: Le Rhone 80 HP

 

AVRO 504K – 3-View

I have pieced together a 3-view from photographs I took of the original drawings from 1923. This work has been done, and I am importing them into Alibre CAD, practically as I type this. With a scale of 1:5, this model is going to have the following dimensions.

Specifications:

Wingspan: 2.194 m
Length: 1.794 m
Height: 0.634 m

AVRO 504K – Wing Profile

I have been looking through old books and documents to try and find the wing profile used. Eventually found that the profile changes slightly from wing-root to wing-tip.

 

AVRO-504K – Walk-around

I have loads of photos of this aircraft, taken at the RAF Museum at Hendon. Here are a couple of photos from my collection.

 

AVRO 504K – Mk I vs. Mk II

I’ve got quite a headache at hand. The dimension on the construction drawing says 8.814 m, which is 28’11” in imperial dimensions, while Jane’s All the Worlds Aircraft from 1919 says 26’6″. Which one is correct? Where is the length measured from? The skid or the propeller?

There is also the AVRO 504K Mark II, which is an improved Mark I. The Bjorn Karlstrom drawings are of the AVRO Mk II, and by scaling up the 1:72 drawing, I get a length of 28’6″ for the Mark II.

AVRO wrote in a brochure for the AVRO 504K Mark II:

  • A New” Oleo” undercarriage is fitted.
  • An adjustable Tail Plane arranged for dual operation, enabling the machine to be trimmed for different speeds and varying loads.
  • Altered Centre Section Plane and Wing Roots, allowing a much greater range of upward and forward vision.
  • New shape Ailerons to lighten and harmonise the lateral control with the elevator and rudder controls.
  • Direct gravity feed for petrol.

From what I see, the fuselage formers are also of a different shape. The length might possible also have been reduced 6 or 12 inches.

From what I can deduct from photos of the Danish AVRO 504K, it is a Mark I. So why did they write 8.814 m on the construction drawings? It just doesn’t make sense. I need more information.

 

AVRO 504K – Dimensions Finally?

I finally found some original AVRO documents showing the measurements. It’s from a rigging manual. It either says 29’5″ or 29′.5 (i.e. 29’6″).

Unfortunately, the text underneath says “length: 28 ft 11 in”, so I am still none the wiser.

The difference is 7 inch – enough to make a difference!

 

AVRO 504K – What Size Is It?

I have now overlayed the two drawings, to see where they differ. To be honest, there is practically no difference, with the exception of:

  • Cowl fillet.
  • Wheel size.
  • Angle of skid.

As to the size, what makes one 28’11” and the other 29′ and the third 29’6″ long, is still not clear.

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Comments

  • Peter Hexter  says:

    If you don’t mind me asking where and how did you get copies of the original drawings? I have been looking for them for a project but can not get a copy.

  • John Gaertner  says:

    Hello, That is a plan view of the LBI Danish version of the 504, built under license. It is slightly different in several subtle ways from the original Avro 504’s. Good luck on your project.

    Regards,

    John Gaertner
    Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC
    http://www.avro504.org

  • admin  says:

    John, you are right. I am looking into that.

    Cheers

  • admin  says:

    Peter,

    Please see your private e-mail.


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